Posts by Sea Breeze

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Is the Watchtower Ultimately a Creation of Fallen Angels?

by Sea Breeze in

a watchtower in ceremonial magical tradition is a tutelary spirit of one of the four cardinal points or quarters (east, south, west and north).

in many magical traditions, they are understood to be enochian angels... originating with the enochian tradition of john dee, a version of it was popularized by the hermetic order of the golden dawn, which became hugely influential in modern western esotericism, including wicca.

the watchtowers are invoked during the ritual of casting a magic circle.. .

Sea Breeze

God says in Leviticus 19:31 “Do not turn to mediums or spiritualists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them.”

So why would the Watchtower so easily turn to mediums and spiritualists for support for their eroneous John 1: 1 renddering?

The Johannes Greber Memorial Foundation provided a photo-copy of a letter from the Watchtower Society acknowledging receipt of not only several of his New Testaments, but also Greber’s book Communication with the Spirit World of God.

Greber claims that he translated his new testament bible with the help of spirits using his wife as a medium.

Why would Watchtower resort to spirit mediums to support their doctrines unless they are all on the same team?

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

the actual evidence shows a very human story of developing theology centuries in the making.

So, what kind of evidence would it take for you to conclude the deity of Christ was not a 'developing human story", but rather an account of God manifesting in the flesh?

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Still no U turn on vax mandates for all schools

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

you still have to be fully vaccinated to attend any theocratic schools.

elders and ministerial servants have their kingdom ministry school every year, the cobe of every congregation has to check that everyone is fully vaccinated.

after the school everyone will ask any bothers who were not there why not?

Sea Breeze

the big change is that sisters can go to elders school now
wives of appointed men can go

Wow. That's pretty big. I wonder if they are getting ready to appoint women elders (elderettes)?

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Why you need Christmas to understand Easter/Memorial

by Anony Mous in

so i went to a christmas evening candlelight service tonight and it hit me.

i was primarily doing christmas since leaving the jw for the children.

lots of people do it for family without really thinking of the relevance.

Sea Breeze

as if every other belief system is irrelevant and doesnt deserve mentioning.

That's right joey jo jo, that's what I'm saying. And what makes them irrelevant is that they are dead. Buddah is dead. Confucius is dead. Zeus is dead. Muhammad is dead. Every previous spiritual leader is DEAD.

Jesus walked out of a tomb after predicting that he would raise himself from the dead. That's what makes Jesus so different. Less than that, I couldn't care less. Why would anyone want to put their future in the hands of a dead guy?

How dumb is that?

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What's Wrong with the Watchtower?

by Vanderhoven7 in

not sure who wrote this list a while back but i think it is worth a repeat....to be added to or subtracted from or modified...whatever.. what's wrong with the watchtower.

"overlapping generations" - this teaching makes no sense.

the word used by jesus is in the singular, not plural form.. .

Sea Breeze

Wolverines: The overlapping Generation was what did it for me in the Religion.

Anybody who stayed in after the '95 generation change is just inexcusible in my opinion.

The '75 false hysteria was only 20 years before! Twice stupid. Not me. I never went to another meeting after that Nov. '95 WT.Yet, this garbage is what millions sold their soul for. At least Esau got a bowl of soup.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

.

colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

The whole debate is the result of third or 4th generation (of mostly Gentile) 'Christians' mistaking Gospel narratives as history.

PP & SBF,

Mountains of evidence has been presented to you supporting the opposite of your conclusion in this thread.

Can you please state what, if any, historical evidence would be sufficient for you ?

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Is the Watchtower Ultimately a Creation of Fallen Angels?

by Sea Breeze in

a watchtower in ceremonial magical tradition is a tutelary spirit of one of the four cardinal points or quarters (east, south, west and north).

in many magical traditions, they are understood to be enochian angels... originating with the enochian tradition of john dee, a version of it was popularized by the hermetic order of the golden dawn, which became hugely influential in modern western esotericism, including wicca.

the watchtowers are invoked during the ritual of casting a magic circle.. .

Sea Breeze

C’mon Syd,

Just admit you are a materialist. Are you ashamed of it? Lots of people “claim” to be materialists.

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Costume dramas at conventions

by AdamCzarnobay in

jw
friends

are convention dramas still a thing or have these been replaced by videos of dramas recorded in the usa?.

Sea Breeze

I remember when if you played a musical instrument, you were invited to play in the orchestra at assemblies. Some Nazi GB member put a quash on that. Imagine learning to play an instrument instead of spreading Satanic propaganda. Very inefficient. Ya vol mein herr capitan.

It looks like now those that like to play “dress up” have faced the same fate as their musically inclined counterparts.

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Is the Watchtower Ultimately a Creation of Fallen Angels?

by Sea Breeze in

a watchtower in ceremonial magical tradition is a tutelary spirit of one of the four cardinal points or quarters (east, south, west and north).

in many magical traditions, they are understood to be enochian angels... originating with the enochian tradition of john dee, a version of it was popularized by the hermetic order of the golden dawn, which became hugely influential in modern western esotericism, including wicca.

the watchtowers are invoked during the ritual of casting a magic circle.. .

Sea Breeze

@Syd,

I take it you are a materialist?

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Is the Watchtower Ultimately a Creation of Fallen Angels?

by Sea Breeze in

a watchtower in ceremonial magical tradition is a tutelary spirit of one of the four cardinal points or quarters (east, south, west and north).

in many magical traditions, they are understood to be enochian angels... originating with the enochian tradition of john dee, a version of it was popularized by the hermetic order of the golden dawn, which became hugely influential in modern western esotericism, including wicca.

the watchtowers are invoked during the ritual of casting a magic circle.. .

Sea Breeze

I think Watchtower connection to the occult is shown in their own literature. They have admnitted that Russell and previous Watchtower Presidents may be directing their activities from "beyond the veil". They admit to being a 'spirit-led organization". They pont to "materializations" of these spirits as evidence for the accuracy of their end-times caluclatuiions:

“Zion’s Watch Tower “ of October 1st, 1907, “Our understanding is that this great day of the Lord began chronologically in October 1874, and from what we can learn it is since that date that ‘materializations’ have become more and more common…the evidence is too strong to be disputed that there have been numerous genuine manifestations….”

How does the Watchtower know there have "more and more" materializations of spirits?